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[] 何がきっかけになるかわからないものだね 19:34  何がきっかけになるかわからないものだね - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin を含むブックマーク はてなブックマーク -  何がきっかけになるかわからないものだね - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin

641:神冷め1/2 :sage:2014/04/06(日) 20:48:58.64 ID: vhcPNxkP0 (2)

このジャンルに来てからずっと読んでる字書き神

AB、CBDB同軸総受け設定でオフ長編を出しておられた。もちろん民も持ってる

この度オンリーで民の本命AB本を出される事が決まり、サンプル読んでみたら切な萌え

人生初のイベントに行って即購入、帰宅して一番に読んだ

……後半に見覚えのある台詞がたくさん出てきた

いやな予感がしつつ最後まで読むと、あとがき

総受け本のAB部分スピンオフでした」



642:神冷め2/2 :sage:2014/04/06(日) 20:51:11.22 ID: vhcPNxkP0 (2)

民は慌てて調べた

サイトにもサンプルにもお品書きにも支部のプロフィールにもそんなことどこにも書いてなかった

最初からそういう設定だと知ってたなら問題はなかった

本命AB単独本だと思って読んでたかダメージがすごかった

素晴らしいハッピーエンドだったけど、このBはほかの二人にも足開いてるんでしょう?

お話が素敵すぎたからなおショックだった

同人腐女子歴長いはずの神がこんなだまし討ちみたいなことなさるとは思ってなかった

ごめんなさい、もうあなたの作品は読みません





[] 何がきっかけになるかわからないものだねその2 19:34  何がきっかけになるかわからないものだねその2 - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin を含むブックマーク はてなブックマーク -  何がきっかけになるかわからないものだねその2 - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin

643:神冷め :sage:2014/04/07(月) 16:02:06.18 ID: IihMXouI0 (1)

イベント終了後、神が支部に

『実はこっそり配布してました!〜配布終了しました☆ありがとうございました☆』と新刊サンプルを投稿

そのキャプションを見てイベント行ったのに…それに配布終了って…と大ショックを受け

そっとブラウザを閉じて本気で落ち込みました

中々立ち直れず、重い気分で一日過ごした民は

辛いけどせめてサンプルだけでも…とクリックしたら

数ページのサンプルの後、最後ににエアでした!の文字が…

あの…全然笑えません…

本当にショックだった分、反動でムカムします。民草だって怒ります

今回のは悪ノリしすぎだと思います

以前から神の部数煽りやすぐ支部に再録などモヤモヤする部分がありましたが、作品の素晴らしさで何とか我慢していました

今回の件は小さな冗談だとは思いますが、これがきっかけでいろいろ溜まっていたものが爆発してしまいもう耐えられません

アンチになってしまう前に身を引こうと思います

さようなら神様、いままでありがとうございました

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他のジャンルではあるようなグッズが出なかったりなど不遇なところが色々とある

そんな状況なので神はよくtwitterで「○○の続編希望」「□□の単行本マダー」

などしょっちゅう呟いていて、私も同意リプをしたりRTしたりしていた

が、ある日神が自ジャンルのあらゆる商品を一度も新品で買ったことがなく

単行本からCD小説などすべて中古で揃えていたことが判明した

(古い作品で絶版とかではなく、普通に今も書店ネット等で買えるものばかり)

円盤が発売になるからもっとジャンルMAD増えてほしいな!」

って言ってたのにその円盤は買わずブックレットの内容を他人に写メしてもらうんですか神…

「○○のコミカライズ全然見つからない〜><」と呟いていたので

「今も普通に書店で買えますよ?密林にもありますし」とリプしたら

中古ショップに並ぶの待ってるんです〜なかなか入らなくて><

ってそりゃあこんなマイナー入らないよ…ていうかコミカライズ1冊だけじゃん買えよ…

神は公式関係作家さんとかもフォローしていて、何人かの作家さんは

中古だと売上に換算されないので、是非新刊で買ってくださいね!」

的な内容をツイートしてるのにそれでも新刊で買わない神に冷めた

人によって経済状況は違うからジャンルのものすみからすみまで全部買えとは思わないけど、

二次創作やっててMADも作ってるのに単行本中古円盤は買わないとか無いわ…

今では神が「自ジャンルで△△出して欲しい><」とか言ってても

出してもどーせあんた買わないじゃんと冷めた気持ちにしかならない

ななしんななしん2014/08/04 16:09>自ジャンルのあらゆる商品を一度も新品で買ったことがない

これはちょっと分かるかも。冷めるのが。
自分も古本買って、それで揃えて・・とかはあるけど
オタク歴長くなるにつれて
・立ち読み>古本屋
で、「同好の士に対して言うことじゃない」という認識が出てきた。
新刊ゲットだぜ!という話を聞いたりブログ読んだりすると、
あー分かる分かる、財布にちょっときついけど嬉しいよね、とか
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まりもの電光石火なパクリでわかりませんでした3と4が表に出した2、3時間後とか早すぎます

一気に冷めました自分も神に盲目杉て痛すぎたけど絵馬3には申し訳なく思ってるいまさらハート送りずらい

そして絵馬2は神の漫画見て萌えるさすが相方きゃーきゃーってちょうど今騒いでるけど

それ絵馬3が2週間前に描いた漫画そのままだからコス絵馬4が3日前に描いた絵から拝借だから

なんか絵馬2にも冷めた

あとこのジャンル交流しまくりの古参がいるんだけど

元神と絵馬2には一切送らなくて絵馬3と4にはハート送りまくってたので

さては嫉妬だなとずっとそう考えたんだけどこういう理由だったんだね・・・

2014-03-04

[] 絵が上手くなって帰ってきたけど、トレースだった 17:12  絵が上手くなって帰ってきたけど、トレースだった - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin を含むブックマーク はてなブックマーク -  絵が上手くなって帰ってきたけど、トレースだった - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin

557:神冷め :sage:2014/03/04(火) 13:28:12.15 ID: 0IdWh0UI0 (1)

ずいぶん前の話

その人ははっきり言って絵は……なレベルだったけど、話がとても上手かった

ギャグからシリアスまでこっちのツボが見えてるんじゃ、ってくらい

そして絵柄もなぜか全ての話にマッチしていて、すごい人がいるもんだと物凄いファンになった


しかし神は自分が絵が下手なのを自覚していて、とても気にしていたらしい

しばらく潜る!と宣言して、実際半年後びっくりする位上手くなって帰ってきた

そして上手くなったことで自信を持ったから本を出すと宣言、

イベント系は苦手らしく通販のみという話だったが、迷わず申し込んだ


届いたものをホクホクしながらみると、どうも既視感

その時は良く分からなかったが、自分のメインジャンルのドマイナー作品の二次を見て気づいた

そのジャンル二次を複数組み合わせたトレースだった

大手もドピコもない、本をほぼ身内で交換するような片手で足りる人数しか

活動してないジャンルなら大丈夫だと思ったんだろうか……


サイトの上手かった絵も、恋は盲目というか、見た当初は分からなかったけれど

どうやら黒……下手でも前のままが良かったよ

2014-02-24

[] 前回入手できなかった本と自分の新刊のシチュが被っていた 19:14  前回入手できなかった本と自分の新刊のシチュが被っていた - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin を含むブックマーク はてなブックマーク -  前回入手できなかった本と自分の新刊のシチュが被っていた - Hatena::Group::onlooker::2ch-Dojin

545 +3:神さめ1/2 :sage:2014/02/23(日) 23:28:47.09 ID: +Vmohl2tO (3)

かなり昔の神さめ

まだネットが普及してない頃、ずっと教典を買い続けていた絵神がいた

神には何度かファンレターを送っており、神が参加されるとあるイベント自分一般参加で行くと書いた

が、当日は体調を崩して不参加となり、結局私は神の新刊を手に入れる事はできなかった

その一月ほどのち、再び神と同じイベントに行く機会があった

偶然にも、私の新刊と前回行けずに手に入れられなかった神の教典とのシチュ内容が被っていた

(例えば、お風呂えっちとかそういう感じで細部は違うが大まかなシチュが一緒)



546 +1:神さめ(2/2) :sage:2014/02/23(日) 23:35:47.97 ID: +Vmohl2tO (3)

青くなりながらも、偶然だから仕方無いと心を落ち着け帰宅…だがお察しの通り、悲劇はその後にやってきた


暫くのち、再び神と同じイベントに出たのだが、何やら神スペースの様子がおかしいし、何やら通りすがる人の目が白い

一緒に来てた友人が様子を見に行くと、神は私を盗作だと詰り、糾弾するペーパーを作って配布しておられた…


その場で弁明すればよかったのかもしれないが、何より信者に取り巻かれた神スペースに立ち寄る勇気は無かった

帰宅後、友人に元気付けられながら神に事の次第を書いて手紙を送ったが、取り付くしまもない返事



547 +1:神さめ(3/2) :sage:2014/02/23(日) 23:42:35.19 ID: +Vmohl2tO (3)

ごめん足りなかったorz


曰く、「今までずっと買っていてその話だけ知らないなんておかしい。第一、イベントに来ると行っていたじゃないか」

実際その通りで、けちらには証明のしようが無かったから延々と水掛け論の繰り返しで、結局神が切れて返信は打ち切られた

私を糾弾するペーパーは相変わらずイベントの度に配り続けられ、

結局私は盗作サークル汚名を背負ったままジャンルから撤退せざるを得なくなった


…もし、今みたいにリアルタイムTwitterブログで「体調が悪いから今日イベント不参加です;;」とでも書けていたら、無実を証明できていたのだろうか…